American Lion: Andrew Jackson in the White House

And he wrote Thomas Jefferson, The Art of Power.

And he wrote American Lion, which is on Andrew Jackson in the White House.

John Meacham wrote American Gospel, God, the Founding Fathers, and the Making of a Nation.

And he wrote Franklin and Winston, an intimate portrait of an epic friendship.

You're never going to have another Kirk, but yeah, you kind of need that.

And I read, there's a book, I think Tom recommended it, American Lion about Andrew Jackson.

And I remember reading that and it seemed like every chapter I'm looking at it and saying, man, those were the seeds of the Civil War right there.

And so I guess where I am is I'm like, do things get worse before they get better? Are people desperate enough to unite around some common principles or do things have to get worse before they're willing to say, you know what, we all need to get back to the center somehow?