Amanda M. VanDerHeyden

So I, I kind of wonder if, in some ways, people are using the term a little differently and, and that is part of it.

I went to, um, a session by Anita Archer and Amanda VanDerHeyden, who is, you know, uh, in the s- in the math world.

But they were bringing together the science of learning, the science of instruction, the science of math, and, uh, and so th- that came up, the productive struggle.

And, and just, you know, Amanda is completely against it in math, and what they're saying is it's basically like, um, just letting a student kind of figure out a math problem, you know? And I, I totally don't agree with that.