Allen Ginsberg

I mean, hip-hop, it really exploded, but you go back to like ...

I'm thinking of, uh, Allen Ginsberg's famous poem in 1950-something, Howl.

And there's a line in Howl that, um, that, uh ...

I don't remember the k- where it comes in the stanza, but there's just a line that where he's talking to the American government and kind of American conventional society, and he says, "Go fuck yourself with the atom bomb." And that was such a ...

At that time, in the 1950s, that was such a shocking and profound line.

And I remember reading it.

At one point, Allen Ginsberg was, um, was speaking out in a poetry group.

He was reading his poem.

I like to smoke weed as a form of rebellion.

I like beatnik poets like Allen Ginsberg, who I now think is a sexual predator.

Yeah, same here.

yeah yeah and so i had to kill i had to kill all my heroes and it's been very kind of sad lonely journey um but really in 2020 um is where things kind of got a bit nuts for me and for everyone on the globe but um my perspective we up here in missoula montana had staged a little tax rebellion against something called tax increment financing The pandemic really took the wind out of our sails, but we made a documentary.

So I knew of Michael being a drug, a drug addict.

Um, but the, the really weird aspect of Ginsburg is that when Leslie Fiedler retired and went to Buffalo, uh, New York, um, which is very department of defense, private contractor connected.

Um, Allen Ginsberg was one of the people that honored Leslie Fiedler by writing a poem, but not for Leslie Fiedler.

He wrote a poem for Leslie Fiedler's kids, and it included a reference to Leslie's kid coming to New York and being in a bar where alcohol was being served.

It all reminds me of Marx's comparison of compound interest.

to Malek demanding the whole world as sacrifice, or Allen Ginsberg in Howl, Malek whose mind is pure machinery, Malek whose blood is running money.

What

about that? The central concept of the book is the industry trying to build artificial general intelligence, which I reconceive as the obsoleting project.

Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb.

That was the departure from the usual musical clip.

This was a bit of Allen Ginsberg reading from Howl, the passage I mentioned in the interview.

Next, a fine new biography of the historian Howard Zinn by Dave Zirin.

It all reminds me of Marx's comparison of compound interest.

to Malik demanding the whole world as sacrifice, or Allen Ginsberg and Howell, Malik whose mind is pure machinery, Malik whose blood is running money.

What about that?

The central concept of the book is the industry trying to build artificial general intelligence, which I reconceive as the obsoleting project.

Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb.

That was the departure from the usual musical clip.

This was a bit of Allen Ginsberg reading from Howl, the passage I mentioned in the interview.

Next, a fine new biography of the historian Howard Zinn by Dave Zirin.

so nice to me and hospitable and i wind up talking about tom petty and the beatles like when i when i when i think about jim ursa we did not talk about his father owings mills or the colts or bob leffler or anything burt jones we talked about the beatles we talked about music when i talk with jim ursa

we talk about hunter s thompson jack kerouac uh jack ginsburg Or Allen Ginsberg.

Well, you're

a writer.

But before we set off on this trip, I've just returned from a trip of my own.

I was in New York for the Allen Ginsberg centenary event.

That was rather wonderful.

I've been rather caught up with things of late.

He was a, he was just a poet from a, a poet from Cleveland.

And, um, he ended up getting indicted for obscene language, and, like, uh, it was, like, a huge, like, lawsuit, and, like, he was in, uh, like, Allen Ginsberg and, um, Ed Sanders came up and did a whole benefit for him.

And-

Really?

And, like, was there any poets in particular you find yourself, like, inspired by or resonating with?

Uh, I'm- I've always been into the Beat poets.

Ferlinghetti, Ginsberg-

Yeah

[laughs]

Yeah, okay, Allen Ginsberg.

Or, okay, Donald- Don Draper, the other side of it.

It's like, you were talking shit about her.