Allan J. Kellogg

And if you pick guys that are about the right things and have the right makeup, it makes that whole process easier.

Um, you know, Alan Kellogg, who's our sport administrator, he's a colonel, I salute him every single day.

Like he says, in the military, you know, they say contact will be made with the enemy.

The enemy's adversity.

It is peg.

One of my old Edmonton Journal colleagues, Alan Kellogg, was a big Steely Dan fan.

I remember that.

And I like them.