Yeah.

Okay? It was very difficult emotionally, okay, because when you grow up not really being seen for who you are, not really being accepted for who you are, and expected to conform to this very narrow, rigid ideal, okay, is very, very painful, and I had a lot of anger and, like, low self-esteem.

And my father didn't help because his way of motivating was try to compare me to the sons and daughters of his medical school, medical school colleagues.

But my dad would say to me, "Hey, look at Jeanne Sakak.

Like, she's, like...

Uh, uh, she's an accomplished woman.

She's, like, the first Asian American woman to get tenure at Harvard Law School." Okay? And my dad tried to motivate me 'cause he tried to, like, stir the competitive spirit.

the differentYou know, attitudes and approaches, um, you know, between, like, your generation and your parents' generation and how much different it'll be for your kids.