Is that is that predominantly because there's a lot of sitting around waiting?

Yes, the joke in the industry is that you're actually paid to wait.

That's actually where you're making your money.

Yeah, in my case, I seem to have the luck of every time I would get a TV series or job or whatever, it would generally be in the cold winter months.

You're up very early, you're in the makeup chair and in costume, and then they put you in a generally pretty artificially overheated trailer until they're ready for you because there's a lot to set up and so on.

And so your challenge is to not fall asleep.

Because once they're ready for you, they're ready and you have to go.

So, so the things that you're teaching, so I presume you make something beyond once you've got beyond the basic knit stitch and making a square or a cushion cover, do you actually design items that then you teach people how to make?

Now, what inspired you to do this work?

It was very organic, to be honest with you.

I started to, I, I started knitting as a way to pass the time on TV sets mainly, and also as a way to calm myself.

When you've come off stage when you're doing theater, your adrenaline is quite high.

So it became like a, a very healthy tool for me to ground myself, calm myself, and explore my creativity in a different way, a way that increasingly I appreciated that didn't need external validation.

Like, when you do a creative job, you need somebody to give you a job, to give you permission to be creative.

Yeah, knitting very organically became this, this really brilliant aspect in my life.

Alice, can you share with us how knitting has saved, helped your stress?