Alfred W. McCoy

And yes, so then again, it's important to, I think, in contrast to the official story of like hypnoprogram assassins, it's like, it's interrogation.

It's, and then what Jeff Kay has written about, what Al McCoy wrote about in his book, Question of Torture, is that this was, Well, they make the point very clear.

You can't argue it.

It's absolutely clear that this stuff directly essentially produced the torture program that is, well, I assume still used, they certainly used during the Cold War and Terror.

Okay, exciting.

So How to Hide an Empire, alongside Colonial Crucible, edited by Alfred W. McCoy and Francisco A. Scarano, were monumental sources for these two podcast episodes that we're about to do.

Anyway, James, I know that you've heard this term before, but I wanna start out by defining the term, quote-unquote, "insular area" before I get to the meat of this episode.

When a place is an insular area of the US, it means that they are a US-associated jurisdiction but aren't states or the District of Columbia.

course, human rights.

The human rights violations which have been described by Al McCoy as a state theater of terror.

Unlike in other countries where dictatorship happened, where there was really everyone to be eliminated, the numbers are huge.

But still, when compared to the numbers in some of the Latin American countries, are small, but it was as described by Alma Coy at the theater where deaths were shown, torture happened in order to intimidate and cause fear.