I reckon that segues into our second question really well so Alexia why does the common advice to study when your kids are grown up why does it sound right but often doesn't play out well when women actually get to this stage

Yeah, so I'm not speaking from experience so much here as just what I've heard multiple times from other people.

But I can definitely relate to the feeling of when your kids are really little, life is so overwhelming and why on earth would I go do study then? Yeah, like I had kids who didn't sleep.

I had other stresses in my life.

Like why would you go do your study? But I have heard from people who have not studied at that stage or not taken any kind of training while their kids are small and then gone back when their kids are teenagers.

Actually, it's so much harder to do it then.

You think that the kids are at school, you think they're occupied and you're going to have all of this time.

What kind of options would you, Alexia, recommend to women who live in either rural or remote WA? How might they get trained up and what does Trinity provide? Are there any good options you might recommend otherwise?