And I'm kind of curious how that came to be and how long you've been doing that.

So Dwayne and I were in Backbone and that was started in like 1998, I guess, or 99 or something.

And then Chris Williams passed away and Dwayne and I joined a band, Cisco Adler, who also lives here in Malibu.

And we were in a band called White Star.

And in 2007, White Star broke up in 2008 and Dwayne was back with his dad touring with Dickie.

And so, uh i got pulled into what is called the allman uh bats family revival okay and uh and devin allman is one of my dearest friends and when greg passed away i dealt with the same issues with my uh mother passing away you have all this grief but you also have to deal with the the feds for the irs and then there's like insurance nonsense and lawyers and trust and all this conflicting interests and then family dynamics.

And I had told Devin, man, put me on your speed dial, buddy.

That's the kind of guy