all right okay so what you're basically saying is is that people might be um interested or open to ideas you know essentially a sort of uh renationalization agenda that you just sort of described but instead of receiving the left-wing version of that they're receiving the right-wing version of that which is actually about redistributing cultural power and very selective renationalisation of certain things, but not the caring agenda in terms of actually redistributing resources, material resources, caring for each other rhetorically only by excluding other people.

Exactly.

And there are two other really important elements here as well.

There's a power element and a complexity element.

So the power element is really critical in as much as there needs to be a believability behind any promise of delivery.

And so...

People will often tell us in the groups, oh, there's no point voting for the Greens.

And if it's not being articulated by the left, it's almost into that vacuum articulated by a kind of a nostalgic sense of a time when community and oneness was just normal.