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Sep 19, 2026

Sam LymanGUEST
20:55
So what are data center dividends? To explain them, I think it's easiest first to look at the state of Alaska.
Sam LymanGUEST
21:02
For those who don't know, in the state of Alaska, they have this incredible program called the Alaska Permanent Fund.
Sam LymanGUEST
21:09
With the Alaska Permanent Fund, the oil royalties that the state collects are invested into an endowment.
Sam LymanGUEST
21:16
And then the investment earnings from that endowment are then paid to every resident of Alaska every year.
Sam LymanGUEST
21:22
It's this incredible program where those payments, which average about $1,500 a year for the last decade, go towards not only adults but towards children as well so if you're a four-year-old child who lives in alaska you are eligible to receive a 1500 check from the government that comes from the oil industry in the state it's an incredible benefit and i started to ask myself can that particular model be scaled in any way as it turns out it can and that's the math we figured out with data center dividends so what makes alaska work is two things number one it's a huge land mass with a very small population number two it has this incredible energy resource when you think about it america's rural counties have the exact same properties they have small populations relative to their land mass and an incredible energy resource or another way of thinking of it they have pristine real estate for ai development so what they've lacked though is some kind of public mechanism that can help turn those earnings into something that benefits everybody in the county so with data center dividends we took a look at the amount of tax revenue that a one gigawatt data center will generate which is in the hundred about 150 million dollars a year uh depending on obviously the county this is an estimate so it's not an across the board uh rule but that's our estimate just based on uh data we got from loudoun county virginia the most data center rich data set in the country.
Chat GPTHOST
20:49
It's essentially acknowledging that the economic benefits of artificial intelligence, which, let's remember, was trained on the collective data of humanity, should be shared broadly across society.
Chat GPTHOST
20:59
I look at this mechanism and I immediately think of the Alaska Permanent Fund.
speaker_6HOST
21:03
That is a highly accurate comparison.
speaker_6HOST
21:06
In Alaska, a portion of the state's oil revenue goes into a fund, and every resident gets an annual dividend check just for living there.
MikeHOST
60:12
Right.
MikeHOST
60:14
You know, you were talking about the PFDs in Alaska and how they're dropping and you're getting less money and all that sort of stuff.
MikeHOST
60:24
But you got to be just excited as hell.
MikeHOST
60:28
about Donald Trump at his convention telling us that he's going to send each and every one of us $5,000 should the Republicans win the House and the Senate, which won't happen, which is why he made that claim.
Kevin ElliottGUEST
15:31
If that happens, I'm going to send $5,000 to every American citizen.
Kevin ElliottGUEST
15:35
So – I thought about it for a little bit, and I thought, it's kind of crazy, but then the first thing that popped into my head is the Alaska Permanent Fund, Jeff.
Kevin ElliottGUEST
15:45
Everybody that...
Kevin ElliottGUEST
15:46
My cousin's wife is born and raised in Alaska, and until she moved... until she moved to Texas a few years ago.
Kevin ElliottGUEST
15:56
As an adult, she was getting a check every year from the Alaska Permanent Fund.
Kevin ElliottGUEST
16:01
So it was the interesting thing.
Kevin ElliottGUEST
16:04
I did a little bit of digging.
Kevin ElliottGUEST
16:05
The interesting thing for me on this is the Alaska Permanent Fund came about because the people of Alaska, when they saw windfalls coming in 1969, 1970 from deals that the Alaska government was making on the North Slope, with oil companies, the people and the representatives in the legislature said, wow, we're seeing the first big hit.
PeteHOST
47:06
Companies are being charged a fee for using up a shared public resource, which is the atmosphere's capacity to absorb CO2.
PeteHOST
47:17
Something in Alaska, which is interesting, have you come across the Alaska Permanent Fund? No.
PeteHOST
47:22
So Alaska apparently takes the state's shared natural oil wealth, which is, I suppose, part of the land, charges oil companies for extracting it, and then citizens get a yearly dividend check.
GavHOST
47:34
There you go.
speaker_4GUEST
23:05
Yeah.
speaker_4GUEST
23:05
Think of it somewhat like the Alaska Permanent Fund, where oil revenues are collected and distributed to residents.
speaker_4GUEST
23:10
But in this case, the financial dividends and the capital gains generated by the industry's massive productivity increases, they would be collected by a government and distributed to the public.
Chat GPTHOST
23:21
The goal being to basically offset the economic damage of those millions of lost or degraded jobs and to fund the public infrastructure that AI relies on.
Craig FullerHOST
50:48
Well, and look, some of the proposals that you've heard, I mean, Vic out of Ohio has said, look, if you're going to build a data center and a zip code, give them free power.
Craig FullerHOST
50:57
We've seen other proposals talk about the fact that just like the Alaska Permanent Fund that really pays for oil extraction in Alaska, gives people a check every single month, a form of UBI, a pay and use.
Craig FullerHOST
51:13
That's right.
Craig FullerHOST
51:14
Look, honestly, if you want to get people to support data centers, start paying people.
Craig FullerHOST
50:48
Well, and look, some of the proposals that you've heard, I mean, Vic out of Ohio has said, look, if you're going to build a data center and a zip code, give them free power.
Craig FullerHOST
50:57
We've seen other proposals talk about the fact that just like the Alaska Permanent Fund that really pays for oil extraction in Alaska, gives people a check every single month, a form of UBI, a pay and use.
Craig FullerHOST
51:13
That's right.
Craig FullerHOST
51:14
Look, honestly, if you want to get people to support data centers, start paying people.
Eric LarsenGUEST
22:39
And so I think you and Mike are right.
Eric LarsenGUEST
22:41
I think we need to think about whether it's an Alaska Permanent Fund analog.
Eric LarsenGUEST
22:50
or a universal, I don't think about it as universal basic income, I subscribe to Elon's formulation, it's a universal high income.
Eric LarsenGUEST
22:59
Because you're going to see massive deflation of the cost of care.
Bharath ReddyGUEST
4:29
And another, uh, difference is also who hold, holds it.
Bharath ReddyGUEST
4:33
So the OpenAI model, um, they're talking about a fund modeled on the Alaska Permanent Fund, which requires, uh, congressional approval and, uh, this fund holding stakes in a lot of different, uh, labs a- and so on.
Bharath ReddyGUEST
4:47
But here it is, uh, um, um, the details are not clear in the Indian case, but I guess it would be the, uh, Meity or a line, uh, uh, or some other line ministry holding this, uh, stake.
Bharath ReddyGUEST
4:57
So, um, so these are, I guess, the two differences, the broad differences between the two arrangements.

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