... because this is the, the divergence from just sort of hobbyist researcher into somebody who is actually identifying things, otherwise, like, why would he even call you?

Yeah.

Well, um, the way I kind of fell into it is, um, I had an eight-inch telescope at the time-And I got this brainiac idea of being a graphic designer and, um, and I'm like, "Oh, I'm gonna make a coffee table book.

I'm gonna try to take the best picture I can with my eight-inch telescope, and then, and I'm gonna go find these photos, these public domain Apollo photos, and put that, like, on the right side of the page." Well, come to find out, you know, my eight-inch telescope could only see about one-sixth of the moon max power.

There was really no comparison.

But by then I was- I already had access to the archives and the FT- and I had FTP spots.

The Lunar Planetary Institute was starting to offer the photos as scans of digital files up on, on the website.

Mm-hmm.