Mm-hmm.

I'm, you know, I don't know.

I'm, I'm, I'm voting, I'm doing the whatever I'm supposed to be doing as a citizen, trying to be a part of the community in positive ways and, and, um, but yeah, no, it's, it's, uh, it's pretty, feels pretty dreadful out there.

Feels like there's just such a greater doom than there has ever been.

I don't know.

I admire that in you.

But, uh, you know, it's about walking as it relates to health, history, creativity, community.

Um, and, uh, yeah, no, hopefully it in, it may be is something that you can listen to on your, on a walk that you take.

[laughs]

... other people to talk to.

I mean, of course I have a guest on my show, and we...

What we do is we take a walk, uh, generally, uh, you know, in- in some place that's maybe got some, uh, you know, uh, his- historic, uh, element or- or maybe it's a walkable communityUm, but the show really touches on walking i- as it relates to history, health, creativity, community, um, transit.

Uh, so of course, Drea, you know, I was enjoying a, a, a, a somewhat recent episode about Train Dreams, um, because-

Oh, yeah.

But I had him on for one of, uh, one of the bonus episodes.

Um, and I don't know if I got to express it to him or if I was too nervous, but, you know, he makes these audio tours that, you know, of d- European cities.And when I would travel abroad, I would, uh, always see if Rick Steves had an audio tour to, to kind of guide me around, you know, some place and learn a little bit about the history and culture.