Alan Frampton

And finally, I went down the road and met Dr. Frampton and the then CEO, Dr. Mike Matthews.

Yes, and I mean, for listeners who may not know, Dr. Alan Frampton was the chair of Tātua and was an incredibly interesting man himself in that he had a lot of commercial background and research and all of that.

And yeah, he really made some changes there at Tātua.

Yeah, he was great.

We saw that with Tātua and with Westland for various reasons.

So what was the discussion that was going on? Because you were at the board table, Dr.

Alan Frampton was chair.

What was the discussion that was being had and why was that decision made?