Alan Boswell

[instrumental music] Hi, and welcome to The Horn, a podcast from the International Crisis Group.

I'm Alan Boswell.

Today, we have a longer conversation to help tide you through our annual August break.

We're welcoming back two guests, and I'm sure our frequent listeners are familiar with both of them.

Alex, Abdul, thanks for coming back on the show.

It's good to be with you.

Great to be with you, uh, Alan.

[instrumental music] So today we're going to give listeners, I hope, a bit of a special episode.