What would it look like for you? What's like an optimal kind of layout design with either the crops, the area around the crops, et cetera? It's a big loaded question, but I want you to tackle this one.

Yeah, it's a phenomenal question.

And You know, the ideal food plot to me is going to be designed specifically for the property, the deer density, the habitat, and the way the property needs to be hunted if the goal is to obviously crunch over that plot.

I don't think there's a universal perfect plot.

You know, people get into shaping and all sorts of different things.

But I personally believe that location, access, and size are all pretty critical.

Obviously, I think access is the most important.

I mean, honestly,

You know, what are some of the things that you've seen that are common maybe with your products that you're using or, you know, any type of seed types that may be impactful or limit even the best seeds from generating in the landscape? And hopefully...

Yeah, so I think one of the, you know, one of the biggest mistakes I think that is constantly chasing the newest variety or newest bag or, you know, newest product and, and looking to kind of that quick fix, you know, and, and, um, On the opposite end of that, there's a, you know, a cohort of individuals who kind of are always pushing for, you know, I can get the cheapest seat over here, right? So I think one of the biggest things is that, you know, neither really is telling you if the seat is actually a good value, right? I mean, what you need to know is like, what are you buying? You know, I'll have people, John, every year say, well, I really loved your Nitro Boost, but...

I got a farmer down the road who's going to sell me soybeans right out of the combine, and he's going to give them to me for $12 a bushel.

And it's like, that's kind of hard to beat, right? Until the next year when the guy calls back and goes, oh my gosh, my field is full of marestail now.

I'm like, well, yeah, you bought it straight out of the combine.

You know what I mean? And I'm not saying that's always wrong, but I've seen people recommend going to Tractor Supply and buying bird food.

bird seed, excuse me, and use that.

You know, what is kind of your mindset around on this topic?

You know, what are some of the things that you've seen that are common maybe with your products that you're using or, you know, any type of seed types that may be impactful or limit even the best seeds from generating in the landscape? And hopefully...

Yeah, so I think one of the, you know, one of the biggest mistakes I think that is constantly chasing the newest variety or newest bag or, you know, newest product and, and looking to kind of that quick fix, you know, and, and, um, On the opposite end of that, there's a, you know, a cohort of individuals who kind of are always pushing for, you know, I can get the cheapest seat over here, right? So I think one of the biggest things is that, you know, neither really is telling you if the seat is actually a good value, right? I mean, what you need to know is like, what are you buying? You know, I'll have people, John, every year say, well, I really loved your Nitro Boost, but...

I got a farmer down the road who's going to sell me soybeans right out of the combine, and he's going to give them to me for $12 a bushel.

And it's like, that's kind of hard to beat, right? Until the next year when the guy calls back and goes, oh my gosh, my field is full of marestail now.

I'm like, well, yeah, you bought it straight out of the combine.

You know what I mean? And I'm not saying that's always wrong, but I've seen people recommend going to Tractor Supply and buying bird food.

uh, bird seed, excuse me, and, and, and use that.

You know, what is kind of your mindset around on this topic?

So talk a little bit about what makes... a food plot continue to attract deer maybe after one loses a peel or something that can last longer that you feel is just kind of like a good staple in your food plot regime that really is going to benefit your hunting as well as the animal you're going after?

Yeah, well, I mean, it's a super interesting question, you know, because I think attraction, at least anecdotally or observationally, you know, people would say can vary dramatically from one property to another.

You know, I can't tell you how many times you might hear one landowner say brassicas aren't touched on my property.

Well, like I have half a mile down the road says that they're destroyed before they can even grow.

I think also we have to kind of measure the baseline.

How are we measuring utilization? You know, I have a lot of customers that will say, you know, we watch the cameras, John, or, you know, we watch from our deer stand, right? But that also adds a level of variability.

You know, I really tell people that before we can set a baseline and understand attractiveness, we have to understand behavior.

You mentioned earlier, you talked a lot about annual clovers and, um, you know, their use in your blends, what type of clovers are those? And are they attractive to deer, um, during the periods, uh, that we want during hunting season? Can you just, maybe just discuss a little bit around that topic? Cause I think people would find interested in your perspective.

Yeah.

you might see the guys do strip tilling you know that's another common one well you're strip tilling and you're leaving these rows of green well what does that do well it reduces um organic matter mineralization you know you get all these benefits um you also can get like p and k into the root zone because you're actually tilling it in versus just broadcasting on top so there's pros and cons to every decision um the one pro of tillage especially in fall crops You normally don't have to rely on herbicide.

So that's a big thing I see a lot on social media.

And I don't really add to the groups too much anymore because it's just like it doesn't go anywhere.

It's not like a conversation like we're having.

It's like this guy comments and the three people else say the same thing.

It's like, but nobody's having a discussion.

If you're planning in a first year fall plot, what plants are you exactly are you planting?

So maybe just something along those topics.

Yeah.

Well, I...

So one of the things, Peter, and I just wanna mention, so I- I'm biased.

I mean, I, I really like diverse blends.

Um, I think that sometimes there gets to be a, um, a fear of like, oh, well, you need to plant this seed at this depth or this, that seed at, at X, Y, Z depth and stuff.

And, and I, I can tell you this from not just the thousands of food plotters we work with a year, John, but, uh, and even people like yourself, right, who, who might not buy our seed, but are making their own mixes of different sizes and mixing up them- themselves in a cement mixer or whatnot.

Mm-hmm.

it's um it's for a 50 pound bag it's 60 bucks free shipping

Yeah, so 60 bucks to your door.

So it's not an overly expensive product.

Ship it right to your door.

But it's really, I like to use this with our annual clover too, because that's a similar, similar more so for the spring, right? They said that fill in that gap, right? So you go in and plant your carbon load.

And, you know, let's just use me in Ohio here.

For example, you plant carbon load August the 15th and you don't get rain or it's a drought or you get some setbacks or you get a ton of rain.

EverlandOutdoors.com. Let's talk about, or I guess let's re-talk about what no-till nurture is and why guys should be using that versus a synthetic triple 13 or triple 19.

A little bit [laughs]

...

I mean, I think it's important to understand how to use it.

And, you know, I, I'm a huge fan of like fill up your...

If you're doing a burndown, fill up your sprayer, put in AMS, that's gonna tie up hard water.

If you're using a glyphosate product that already has a surfactant in, then you're good, you know? But if it doesn't, you need to probably add a surfactant in there.

Not probably, you sh- you, you need to add a surfactant.

Do that