Akzo Nobel N.V.

Within that, within within Dulux Select and

actually, yeah, to have been able to to to connect also with people, I guess, at Dulux Trade in the Axo Nobel as well by being a member of Dulux Select has been has been incredible as well.

And I guess when other decorators have said, I guess, when I've heard them on podcasts and say, it's about what you put in.

Yeah.

He said, oh, no, it has to go into a PayPal account.

And again, I just thought, oh, my God.

And literally, and he'd taken a screenshot of the... of all the members um or the members just Dulux select this was other people um non-dulux select members people that worked for Axo Nobel um that um whether they'd given five quid or 50 quid um and I was like oh my God and literally I yeah it's uh it absolutely got me really really got me that and um and then but yeah and i'm yeah incredibly grateful to les um for that and i subsequently we did we did meet up and um and uh and actually yeah just incredible incredible generosity um there's someone yeah um that they think enough of you to to yeah knowing they'll probably never meet me

No, it's powerful.

I wrote my master's, my thesis on, on corporate social responsibility, and I loved the topic, and I actually never thought that it would turn into becoming my career.

But after working at Heineken and at the communications agency, FleishmanHillard, I joined AkzoNobel, which was a global paints, coatings, and specialty chemicals company.

And then in 2018, the specialty chemicals division was spun off.

It was sold to the Carlyle Group, so that's, you might know it.