Air traffic control

He meant to press the button that allowed him to talk to passengers on his flight.

8.37 a.m., after hearing the broadcast from Atta on Flight 11, Boston Air Traffic Control alerts U.S. Air Force's Northeast Defense Sector, who then mobilize the Air National Guard to follow the plane.

8.42 a.m., United Flight 93 takes off from Newark, New Jersey, after delay due to routine traffic.

It was headed for San Francisco, again across the country.

The aircraft had struck multiple vehicles as it crossed the road.

Uh, ATC recordings show routine communications on tower frequency for landing clearance.

Uh, the aircraft is not heard thereafter until tower stated runway 30 is closed.

Uh, the FAA reported 21 Air flight, uh, 7598 overran the runway after landing at Miami International Airport, um, and the Boeing 737600-- sorry, 737767 300 cargo aircraft departed the international airport in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

The ELT section is left blank.

But what I do have people suggesting is there was two ELTs which was reported in New York by a pilot of the US-583 to Air Traffic Control.

Now, these reports came in at 8.44 and the other reports came in at 8.58. Now, the 8.44, some people are trying to attribute to Flight 11.

Now, we know in the official story that Flight 11 did not crash until 8.46, and we know that United 175 didn't crash until 9.03.

And it's the DCC radar evidence.

And what this shows is it shows that American Airlines Flight 77 did not turn round, as we were told, on the Kentucky and Ohio border.

Now, what this radar evidence shows, and it's backed up with some other evidence on air traffic control as well, so it's not just one piece of evidence.

So this shows that the radar picks up Flight 77 heading over towards Missouri, And it flies over St. Louis Airport and it flies near, well, just about into Kansas before making a turn and heading back towards Missouri, where it strangely goes off radar heading towards St. Louis Airport.

Yeah, but you had a good time.

And one of the subjects we're going to talk about today is the air traffic control.

And you, of course, were kind of caught up in it, but not.

Just what was your... experience

It's just what goes on in the world.

And that brings us back to Nats, and maybe it is the fault of somebody there.

And frankly, I found it staggering when I first heard this news that we had got a complete air traffic control failure for the third time and three years since the last major one.

I mean, it is critical infrastructure, and it is just... appalling that this can be happening and repeatedly happening.

The Middle East, specifically around Cyprus, Israel, Lebanon, and the Eastern Mediterranean, has seen persistent spoofing that has affected commercial airliners operating at cruise altitude.

There have been incidents of aircraft receiving false position data that would have directed them into Iranian airspace without the crews realizing it until ATC intervened.

Aerotime recently covered a piece of research that points toward a different approach entirely, and it is this work I want to spend some time on today.

The concept is called magnetic navigation, or MAGNAV in the research community.

And just a little, you know, on the side, there was also an air traffic controller.

And, you know, the pilot's never going to go, okay, well, ATC told me to do this.

It's not safe.

So, yeah, just a little point of caution.

Um, yeah, there were ...

Uh, they, they banned all air traffic from, uh, over New York City, but there were fighter jets patrolling over New York City, flying constantly all over the place, and occasionally helicopters, police helicopters, that sort of stuff.

Hey, the other good thing is, uh, that came out of that, we, uh, didn't have ...

The police department was great, but it basically just patrolled the streets, and that was it.

Good morning.

Uh, just a couple of remembrances.

Uh, I'm a retired air traffic controller, and there was a flight, uh, a scheduled flight out of Bradley, uh, which is Hartford, uh, going to Florida.

And one of the planes that hit the World Trade Center almost had a midair collision with them, and the air traffic controllers in New York were scrambling, but they pointed out the, the plane flying down the Hudson River wasn't Controlled, and-

Also, and this was controversial, you had a... start putting people at the you know in certain uh there were some very controversial mosques and other places you had to infiltrate them with people that spoke the language just just to learn if anything was happening and that started the nypd continues to do that stuff to this day let's go to tom in connecticut tom how you doing

oh yeah good morning Uh, just a couple of remembrances.

Uh, I'm a retired air traffic controller and there was a flight, a scheduled flight.

I did Bradley, uh, which has happened.

Uh, going to Florida and one of the planes that hit the world trade center almost had a minute collision with him and The air traffic controllers in New York were scrambling, but they pointed out the plane flying down the Hudson River wasn't controlled and it was a

renegade plane that's a good point well thanks uh tom uh it was a bright sunny day that day that's the reason the attack was able to happen had it been a cloudy day or the weather had been bad they would have waited they need these guys obviously weren't trained pilots so what they did was they used the hudson river starting around albany And they knew the Hudson River went right to the World Trade Center.

So they looked down and just followed the Hudson River all the way in, needing a bright, sunny day to do that.