Mm.

Which is g- you know, like, that's...

I'm, I'm really happy being comedy adjacent and occasionally being thought of as funny, 'cause I do really admire...

You know, I mean, I've seen, you know, most more of Fred, but, like, I've seen you backstage, [smacks lips] um, just riffing with, like, Paul F. Tompkins and, you know, uh, just, like, watching you pick up a thing that's in the ether and grabbing onto it and, and noticing specific details.

It's like a real, um, you know, and it, uh, uh, sort of a use of language.

I, like, it really does remind me a lot of, uh, of songwriting, but, but it's, like, on the spot, and I can't, I can't do that, and it's...

I really admire it.

Yeah

Can you tell people about that? Mm-hmm.

So Paul was selling a box space on eBay, and somebody bought it, and they emailed him after they bought it.

They said, I just want you to know that I really love this space.

It's really great.

It's a birthday present for my husband.

P.S. My husband is Debbie Lee.

Wow.

You did four nights.

And I don't have an example.

I mean, I, I agree with you, and I...

And just, like, even a step further, the very process of writing a song is a, is a transformative experience because it- it's like there, there is something that is exciting, and I don't...

You know, like, I, you can s- you start in a certain mood, and you're like, "Okay, what is this mood? What, what chords kind of sound like this mood? What story can I tell that fits these chords, and what melody fits these chords, and what melody fits this story so that the story also sounds like, you know, the mood?" And then you're telling the story, and then you're inside it and, and at the end of it, you don't feel that way anymore.

You know, you've...

I mean, not that the song has to have sort of a happy ending, but the happy ending is that is exactly how I felt.

That is the exact feeling.

You know, you're doing, you're, you're, you draw and, um, I wonder w- what is the impulse that's driving you not away from songwriting and performing, uh, but also i- in addition to, what's not being addressed in the songwriting that you can address in drawing, or is it just, like, something you enjoy doing and it's, I shouldn't read too much into it?