And if you could go back to your 25-year-old self when you were just going into that number two role, or however old you were at that point, what advice would you give to yourself?

Um, learn.

Be a sponge, basically.

Be- like, listen to everything that anyone's doing.

Be there, be available.

Um, and, and, and just try and, try and take on board as much as you can while also being, um, having the initiative to do stuff.

I think sometimes people can be so kind of like afraid to get involved that I think you need to be, in this industry, look like you're eager and getting stuck in, while also not being that person going, "I know how to do this.

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