Aceh

Sumatra has the biggest one, and then Kalimantan, Papua.

In Sumatra, Riau has the biggest pit, and then South Sumatra, Jambi, to some degree, also in North Sumatra and Aceh.

In Kalimantan, the biggest one is in Central Kalimantan, and then West Kalimantan, South Kalimantan, and a bit also in East Kalimantan.

But Central and West,

Some countries have variation at the, at the, at the subnational level.

So in Indonesia, for example, um, Aceh, which is one of their subnational units, has, has a stronger kind of Sharia system than, than the country does as a whole.

So there you go.

I mean, in other words, there's massive, massive variation across the, across the world.

Because there's a lot of distress amongst the children, obviously, I think there's been a lot of efforts with UNICEF and local Palestinian organizations and some international organizations to do I don't know what you'd say, psychosocial support or, you know, like programs for singing or like with clowns or activities, but also to try and bring the kids together to have recreation.

This is a really important psychosocial intervention in areas of crisis, you know, similar to what was done, for example, in Aceh after the tsunami.

But the other effort is to try and re-establish functioning of primary schools and high schools.

I mean, there's some electricity and certainly some very, very small solar.

And Farweza is a marine biologist by training, but she's involved in some really exciting, innovative work.

in the parts of Sumatra, very, very small-c conservative parts of the island of Sumatra within Indonesia, Aceh.

And what she's been doing is building the capacity of indigenous local communities to become guardians of the rainforests and she's doing some really remarkable work and what i find really fascinating is the way that she's been able to harness some of the latest in technology satellite technology drones and so on together with the the kind of the indigenous community wisdom of particularly the local women in in those ache communities to identify illegal logging and also to improve the condition of those really critical rainforests.

And for me, why that stood out as something to really reflect on further is because we use big terms like just transition.

And sometimes I think they go over people's heads.

And actually what...

Faweza and her colleagues are doing in Aceh is actually just transition on the ground because it's about giving jobs and livelihoods to those indigenous communities and at the same time showing that there is a better way in terms of the preservation of those absolutely precious rainforests.

So that for me was one of the episodes that I really reflected a lot on since we actually did the recording.

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... with more information, we will definitely have a better kinda understanding if that North Aceh extension goes, you know, northwards into India-

Mm-hmm

... into Thailand even, because Thailand is preparing for a bid round in those little, in that little acreage that it holds, uh, in the Andaman Sea.

We've mentioned them-

Yeah

... a couple times in this north, in this Aceh area.

Um, you know, apparently they've got interested parties, including Shell.