Aaron M. Stein

This season, we are taking a deeper look at how Western European NATO members, like Germany, are shifting their defense policies, pursuing rearmament, and what lies ahead for the future of European security.

I'm Natalia Kapitnik, the Communications Director at FPRI, and this week we are pleased to feature a conversation with FPRI President Aaron Stein and Peter Wehr, a member of the German Bundestag who has held a variety of government roles focused on the transatlantic relationship.

The two evaluate the progress of the Zeitenwende, Germany's defense spending commitments and strategy, as well as the domestic challenges posed by surging populist political forces.

Thanks for joining us.

I'm Dr. Jeffrey Lewis, the William J. Perry lecturer at Stanford University and a distinguished research fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute.

and i'm dr aaron stein president of the foreign policy research institute calling to you from philadelphia do you know when you i whenever you say william perry it makes me think weirdly of like the billy joel song like

oh new jersey see i think of the fridge

and i think william perry in a billy joel song would be billy p billy p billy p and I realize I'm disgracing a legend at the moment.

We're all, you're watching it.

I'm what, what are Aaron Stein, Eric Getty and Rubenstein watching? Are they like cows watching it for us? Or I have no idea.

And I know this.

I wouldn't bet my money on it, on any of it.