A question of torture

So you have these two conflicting visions that are born of the Holocaust.

And even then there are researchers like Alfred McCoy, who wrote a great book, A Question of Torture, about the CIA's torture program.

He connects the experiments of Stanley Milgram to possibly the CIA and MKUltra, Where, again, those are very much about authority and just carrying out orders.

So the idea of, can we make someone do this if we push them enough? So I think there was very much a school of thought about, can we create a programmable human on either an individual or a mass level? If you want to call it psychological warfare, you can.

So I think when you add in the biological and chemical warfare side of it, that's pretty significant because also I think that can include kind of, by definition, lethal capabilities.

um poisons which you know gotley was he had a some vast collection of poisons personally and stuff and then provided them for lamumba which they didn't use in the end but um uh so yeah that's kind of from the start specifically mk ultra so that's to say mk ultra was not from the start dallas putting in writing mk ultra as a program to create hypnoprogram assassins it was a mechanism to keep stuff off the books.

And it was biological and chemical warfare and behavioral modification.

And also

I didn't want to close the book on David's partnership with Bryce and me.

I had hopes that he would return.

David and I had planned to write two books together after 2024, one on the ultra-Zionist neocon takeover of U.S. foreign policy and another on the RFK assassination.

It now seems very unlikely that David will return to podcasting or to writing.