you know,

and was very much into how the, how the, this is kind of all tying back to diasporas, right? How the occult in rock and roll was really taken, even coming back to like the myth of the crossroads, right? And Robert Johnson, like how much of that is so rooted in Afro-diasporic traditions and African spiritual traditions, right? And so how that came to me through...

sense of place and sense of belonging in Shreveport was that, okay, I, you know, met, actually, I met Paul at the Highland Blues and Jazz Festival, who then introduced me to like the punk scene in Shreveport.

And we were constantly cultivating places, right? Because there were no, there were no venues.

Let me be very clear.

They were like...

I won't say there were none.

So we're going to talk, we're going to talk about that too.