2018 North Korea–United States Singapore Summit

Now that we're looking back at the North Korea summit six, seven years later, do you th- still believe that it was a failure?

What my research [laughs] has been trying to show is that it did not fail.

We all know that these are all spectacles and theatricality.

We know for a fact that Trump did wanna meet with, uh, Iranian leadership and they passed.

Right.

I, I'm curious, uh, you know, now that we're looking back at the North Korea summit six, seven years later, do you th- still believe that it was a failure? Because it seems to me like things have deescalated quite a bit since then.

If I were to follow my own research, [laughs] uh, then what my research has been trying to show is that no, it did not fail.

Um, in terms of outcomes, maybe that's, that's one way many people would understand summits as, right? Like, we need an outcome.