1948 Palestine war

And it's the Nakba.

And that's why that chapter is called the Nakba and the Jewish and the Israeli War of Independence.

They're the same thing.

But also, it's become completely mythologized.

Let's just be direct here.

Six million Jews were killed roughly in the Holocaust.

Do you know how many people were killed in the Israeli War of Independence slash the Nakba? Around 10,000 to 13,000.

And that includes Arab troops.

Now, is it a bad thing that Israelis, quote unquote, have moved to the right in that sense? It's hard for me to say that because I'm with them, basically.

I've moved to the right in the sense that, you know, it's even hard for me to even say that to be sure because I think I've told the story that when I met A soldier back when I was a soldier whose father fought in the War of Independence and I said we need to do everything we can in order that I can look at my children's eyes and say that we've done it all and when you have to go into the army it's because it just couldn't happen because we've done everything.

But even then, I thought there was only a 50-50 chance of reaching peace with the Palestinians, with the Arabs.

This was in 1975-76, before Sadat even came to Jerusalem and we made peace with the Egyptians.