Woods Bagot

It is.

IHG's General Manager, Sean Parsons, is working closely with IFM Investors' Head of Real Estate Development, Tom Waters, and the architecture firm Woods Bagot on this.

Right.

But what I find fascinating is the math here.

Hi, Sam.

Yeah, uh, I tend to do stories where-wherever I go, and I went to London earlier this year and I spoke with Woods Bagot there.

And, uh, you know, this is, uh, this-- the conversation tied in with the increasing difficulty with, uh, you know, demolishing buildings, building new ones.

So, uh, in recent years, it's been almost impossible to demolish a commercial building, especially in Europe, uh, and in parts of the UK, and the main reason for this is because doing so releases the embodied carbon, which is the carbon that's stored within the building, and so it results in a lot of, uh, you know, greenhouse gas emissions, which the property sector is responsible for a large amount of greenhouse gas emissions in, you know, in the world, and they are trying to reduce that and working very hard to reduce that.

And, and as you mentioned, you were actually, you put this story together while over in, uh, London and, and broader Europe.

Mm.

You spoke to a London architect, uh, James Taylor from Woods Bagot.

What did you learn from him?

Yeah, I had no intention of getting out of it at that point.

And ended up at Woods Bagot as an associate in the interiors team.

Was brought in to work on the Belmont Racecourse project that still hasn't ever happened.

And then really got into corporate office fit out and pretty much was given every project that didn't have a project manager.