Transport Canada

Wow.

And so working with Transport Canada to do that, that was a three-year project.

Wow.

[laughs]

Got the ball rolling.

Got the ball rolling.

Talked to, uh, Nav Canada, Transport Canada, and got the ball rolling and it's pretty cool.

Wow.

whether it was ignorance or whether it was a genuine concern it did not matter because once you have that negative experience with someone where you feel like they're not receptive to listening to you it makes you second guess yourself when you want to bring something to their attention especially if you're not completely knowledgeable or especially if you're not 100 sure this is an issue i think it is incumbent on us as physicians treating patients to have that dialogue and be open to receiving communication from nurses

And if you go to one of our episodes where we talked to Captain Mike Schuster, where he talks about assessing CRM in terms of aviation, he would frame that or Transport Canada would frame that under their team building and how they would look at that.

Are you fostering communication? Because it's not charm school, but it does make a difference to patient care if you behave in that manner.

And we're trying to get away from that in medicine.

make?Well, not really.

So I, I decided to go back to Ottawa, and we got in a Transport Canada van, and, uh, then we were getting more information coming, uh, uh, that, uh, the third plane had the Pentagon, which was, I think was around 9:45.

And just after that, uh, was a decision to close the skies, which we d- we weren't consulted on, and it came from an official at the FAA in Washington, uh, to one of our officials at Transport Canada because the two, FAA and Transport Canada, are the two regulators of airspace, uh, in, uh, the two countries.

And, uh, so we had to have a quick conversation about what we do.

Should we land the planes at the closest airport that, uh, the Americans had done? And, and I said, "No, let, let, let the planes continue to their destination." Uh, and it made it easier l- later on to get planes off of the runway and, uh, you know, if, if damage was gonna be done, it was going to be done.

Um, and the prime minister said he wanted as many ministers as he could get together to meet on Wednesday morning, the next day, and, uh, they started calling around, immediately found out where I was and what flight I was on.

And I didn't even know it at the time, I learned this a year later from Peter Mansbridge, that in fact, uh, Transport Canada had singled out our plane and allowed us to land.

I, I never knew why we landed.

I knew we were the only one.

Um, it, it was, uh, was, could've gone to a toxic waste site directly, but it didn't.

But that's, that's how it, that's how it happened.

And Transport Canada, again David, sent a plane to Toronto, one of their planes, a small, uh, private plane that flew me and, and, uh, my team, uh, back to Ottawa so that we were, we were there for the meeting with, with, uh, the prime minister and a few other ministers the next morning.

All right.

Like, we don't have STOL events, STOL competitions up here.

Transport Canada really locks that down and makes it very, very hard for anyone to do that kinda stuff.

Anything we do, we just kinda- Give all our buddies a call and say, "Hey, we're going out here.

Let's, let's have some fun." [laughs]

Like there were just a lot of cool things that we were modifying and changing and doing and-

Right

... and, uh, grateful that Transport Canada allows us to do that.

Every, though every airplane I start building, there's new rules, and it's making it harder and harder, and especially with aviation medical.