Theranos

I don't know.

I think that also says something that she's just, Obviously, she changed her voice and her personality, which is completely different when you watch the old clips when she's talking about Theranos versus, you know, in the documentary.

So, still so fascinating.

But anyway, she said they were on poop duty together.

So you have to explain to them, you know, is it the case that I'm just a quitter? Like, am I just basically throwing my hands up and saying, like, I can't handle

this? That's Erica Chung, a former scientist at the now infamous biotech company Theranos.

Erica realized early on that the company's proprietary technology was not delivering accurate blood results to patients.

But when she raised her concerns to company leadership, she was silenced.

I did see that.

Because Fielder's biggest concern was that this story has been told, right? There's been a ton of media coverage on Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos.

Yeah.

Best-selling book, Bad Blood, which is back on the, you know, best-seller list.

And I was reminded to mention it because, A, we're still having a discussion, she and I, over whether the film actually qualifies as a documentary.

But it's a film about Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos and the invitation that they extended to Nathan Fielder.

to come and video her last month of freedom before she went off to prison for 11 years for the entire Theranos debacle.

No spoilers here.

I will say that I'm not the biggest fan in the world of Nathan Fielder.

Basically, the establishment was like, yeah, you got to get in on this.

Theranos, Theranos.

This is the thing, and she had fake machines, and then they pulled the tests out to run on real machines real quick, behind in the next room or something.

The whole thing was a facade, because she just couldn't deliver what she promised, so she faked it, basically.

But first off, I want to say, I know I've told you this already, but I'm telling everybody I know that when it comes out next month in the UK, everyone should go and see a documentary called you can see everything um and it's a documentary by nathan fielder and it's with uh it's a documentary about and including elizabeth holmes who is um a convicted um criminal uh in the u.s in is imprisoned at the moment for um Well, you should watch the documentary.

But if you don't already know about Theranos, the company that she founded, it was basically a medical fraud or a medical scam whereby her and her team were claiming that they had invented a machine which could scan and diagnose either existing disease or conditions or predict somebody's condition.

tendency to to have a condition from one single drop of blood and basically it was a great idea but the technology just didn't exist and still doesn't exist um

so this this documentary is getting a lot of attention like i've seen it written about all over the internet you went to see it in the cinema it has the cinematic release in the US yeah it was

This is that document documentary, uh, about Elizabeth Holmes.

She's like the med tech CEO pioneer that founded a company called Theranos.

And then she got in big trouble.

She went to jail.

And among the things that he seems to have made her believe is that he could make her dog immortal, her pit bull immortal.

So you start to wonder how can that happen, right? And we're all seeing this with the Theranos, with the you can see everything doc, like what is real? What are the lies? What's the con? And so how do our brains work? Are there flaws in our brains that certain people can exploit? And so these questions of how does the brain work sort of leads this conversation that I'm having with Chris Smith, the director, afterwards, because, you know, we worked well together, whatever.

I was a good talking head for him on Bad Vegan.

What else can we do together? And so what about that durable rumor, right? And because what happens is you heard it in, you know, middle school, which is a common, it's funny, you were kind of a prime, like 89, 90 is a good time in middle school.

There is a fascinating documentary out right now that everyone seems to be watching.

It's called You Can See Everything, and it deals with former CEO Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos, where the company went down, she was due to go to jail, and a documentarian named Nathan Fielder went to her house and hung out with her.

It's an amazing film that I want to talk to you about, but I couldn't get tickets.

Okay, so I'm here to discuss it here with film critic Sean Burns, who's going to walk us through this.