Terumo Corporation

So what's your go-to setup? Base catheter, micro catheter, micro wire?

Base catheter is a Terumo GladCath burn style.

Just angled.

Just angled tip.

And in this study, we are using a very specific technical approach.

So our trial is sponsored by Terumo, and we are using a combination of large particles plus hydrogel coils.

So let's first talk about the particles.

So how did we land on the, the particles that we're using? We're actually using eight hundred micron particles, and this came out of the research that was done largely by the group in France, both preclinical and some clinical trials, where they looked at coils only, particles only, even some liquid embolics, and ultimately determined that particles greater than or equal to seven hundred microns are probably safe.

Okay, two operators.

Yep.

And yeah, always using the eight-- Is it the eight hundred micron? Is that a HydroPearl? Is that the Terumo product, or do you use something else?

That is-- Yep, we use the HydroPearl.

... on that.

Uh, this is the Terumo Trio graft, which is really a very PMAG-friendly graft.

The, uh, reason is-

How did you develop it? You know, did you, did you feel that you came out of Baylor prepared to do these? Or how, how did you progress in your skill, uh, and your complexity l- level by yourself up in Cheyenne, you know, in order to-

So you cannulate and then you twist-

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the Terumo Trio

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Worker's comp wasn't gonna fix it if he got a better doctor.

And so I was just too busy with my Terumo case, and I passed on it.

I wasn't the first one, apparently.

Sean Claggett picks up the case and tries it in Colorado in my backyard, you know, like my, my island, you know? He comes into...