Shield Technology Partners LLC

I'm talking about the, the Integris of the world, a, a giant business.

I'm talking about, like, Shield Technology Partners and Titan, the- these, um, uh, e- enormous, uh, uh, MSPs backed by enormous c- uh, quantities of venture capital.

I always, um, ask these days about outcome-based pricing.

Everybody's interested, everybody wants that, or at least wants to kind of have the option, figure out how they might do that.