Second Dinner Studios

... can happen, you know what I mean? Um, but in addition to that, it's got [clears throat] small update, and it's the last thing I have here.

Um, I just want to thank the developers Second Dinner, who make Marvel Snap, because they brought draft mode back, and it is absolute dog shite.

Um, I don't know what they've did to it.

Well, I know what they've done to it, which is they've basically made it like the Sanctum Sanctorum, um, playthrough.

Removes all agency from the game, and they ruined their best chance at a comeback.

I'm kind of astounded, but I'm at the same time thankful, because it has killed the very short return period that I had with that game.

So thank you, Second Dinner.

Um, I will not be back.

And that is like, guys, like, he's talking on

behalf of second dinner, y'all.

He's clearly saying second dinner thinks y'all are lazy.

That's that's from a dev officially.

FYI.

Go ahead.

This is your minute and a half moment to do a spiel of you do not represent second dinner.

Yes, I am not saying anything.

I'm going to optimistically describe this as a case of convergent evolution.

The developers of Marvel Snap Second Dinner have certainly been aware of Air, Land and Sea.

And they have...

There's talks online, you can talk, where Ben Brode presents the development of Marvel Snap and the designs process.

Once you get up to infinite, you're then just collecting cubes that are converted to a different currency that is largely based on Elo.

The game, as Rob's pointed out, quite addictive and has a relatively large community.

Second Dinner were originally a publisher working with another company, but they had to go independent as a part of sanctions by the United States against various Chinese businesses.

And so they've been roughly independent now, I want to say, two years now.

okay uh when i when i proposed this my my mind was at you know we just during this uh axis season which is what we're in now superior iron man was released and could you tell he was released Nope, maybe not, except for maybe the first day or two.

And then people thought he, which Second Dinner ultimately agreed with because he got buffed, thought he was a little weak and everybody kind of agreed the buff didn't matter.

And a lot of that is because of Thanos, the prior season pass card.

And so it got me to thinking, what is the better option here? Do we want a super strong season pass card like Thanos? Or is it better to kind of have a season pass card like a little bit better than Superior Iron Man? But a card that's closer to Superior Iron Man, or maybe like Weapon X was, right? Where you actually saw him quite a bit, but it wasn't really overbearing.

Like I just die.

Like there's nothing there.

So I understand that perspective from Second Dinner.

We did have literally one of the biggest OTAs in Marvel Snap history on, it was September, I think 10th it was, right? Yeah.

Which really, it's not as bad as it could have been, I suppose.

I think I'm more worried about how many unread emails you have in your external partner's contractor email with second dinner.

Okay, good.

That's a job.

Now I'm not anymore.

So my first conversation was Wednesday morning as a live stream.

And as someone who got to be on the inside a little bit of it and was able to somewhat see a little bit behind the curtain and what happened or whatever, I'm not going to talk about that part because I also like continuing to work with Second Dinner.

What I can talk about is...

The interaction he provides is relatively healthy at face value, but the matchup variance he creates, especially in decks built around repeating his ability, isn't something we want to tolerate long term.

Well, thank you very much, Second Dinner.

Making him a clunker four-cost card should encourage players to use him as intended, a one-shot interactive piece in a created card strategy.

Yeah, so you can only play him on turn four.

I thought it was, I thought it was good for, for a first attempt.

Uh, I, I have to give kudos.

I thought second dinner did a really, really good job with it.

Um, be uh you know for what it is yeah it could have been a disaster and uh and for those there i'm sure there are going to be some people out there that may not may or may not listen to my podcast but that sure there's going to be some out there that are going to say it sucks and they're going to hate it and stuff like that but it you know i i question the people that say those things all the time because to me you know you're you're probably not a just you're probably just a hater of everything about the game at this point and you know You're probably not – and some people responded to my tweet that I'm going to read out in a little bit with ways that, oh, the game sucks.

And then like, like I can see that being a thing but I just I can't imagine they miss that you know what I mean like I don't want to believe that that's a thing so like my options are basically they either are looking at the data in such a way that maybe they missed that or they're just like really don't want to nerf him he's sick as hell I don't know which is better

I mean, I'll call it out as I have in the past and as I will continue to always do as long as I am not officially employed 100% by Second Dinner.

This is a...

Until I'm

decent.

However...

There are other things that they could do that actually seem way more second dinner-ish, if that's even a term to kind of go with on this one.

But it's very second dinner-ish.

Historically, Godot has been used for indie devs, but it's now, its use has become much more widespread.

And he said that it's actually been picked up by the likes of Meta, Google, Apple, Second Dinner.

And again, hopefully soon Tencent.

I just want to tell myself in like a minute, the history of Godot and where it is, it's obviously like kind of come on the rise and you can chart its rise literally from when the Unity runtime for you was announced, which is obviously since been reversed, but the trust that that announcement destroyed in Unity game engine has allowed room for a new rival.

Potentially new people are entering the game with draft mode or people are returning to the game and may not have that experience with the snap mechanic.

And you know what? I think, you know, talking about draft mode and Marvel's limited time game modes in particular, I think there's a strong base of designers at Second Dinner now that agree with the assessment that the snap mechanic is a net negative on the game.

Like if you look at draft, there's no snap mechanic.

You look at so many of the limited time game modes and even like, you know, Sanctum scoring, which has snapping, it's snapping fast.

I think that's, like, I don't know if you know this about this show.

I used to do this with guests, and...

Then he started working for Second Dinner, and so he's not doing this show as a result of that because there's some conflicts of interest, and it probably wouldn't be good for him to talk about a thing that he has contracted to work for, a company that makes this game, talk for that company, and then be like, yeah, no, ban this inside of the game.

It's not good PR.

No.

Because obviously the current hosts of this podcast, both KM and you, are under, not just the NDA, because I'm under NDA as well, but you're contracted with Second Dinner.

And thusly, I know you in particular don't comment or talk about data mines.

I know KM has made a point to talk about those in the past.

the season is.

What? You know the theme of the season.

That was told by a second dinner to us.

You can say that, right? They have not.