Rodale, Inc.

That was that first book.

But anyway, with Random House, And then wrote three more books with Rodale.

And then again, just did a recent one as well.

But anyway, put that aside, started working with Women's Health Magazine.

We talked about that a little bit, but I also had a whole lot of no's from publishers before I got that first book deal.

I mean, I had a whole bunch of no's.

And then when I went to do another one, before I switched to working with Rodale, I got a whole bunch of no's from another publisher there.

Like, that's like, that's not how you just see, okay, now there was these books written from You know, with Rodale and with with Random House.