Pivotal Labs

Like, I, I only know 'cause one of them's my co-founder, Jeff McCoy.

Like, he very routinely would, you know, fly across halfway across the world and, and help at the time Pivotal Labs set up this technology in the middle of the Middle East.

And the reality is, is like that airman doesn't scale.

And so when you try to do that, not just for one system, one environment, or one application, but to 10 or 100, what you realize is that you actually have to lower the barrier to entry.