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Search complete. 13 mentions across 8 episodes found for "Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation".

Oct 12, 2026

Tyler GardnerHOST
32:29
At 3% inflation, it loses roughly a quarter of its purchasing power in 15 years.
Tyler GardnerHOST
32:35
Your pension has a counterparty, and if it's not the federal government, you should know what the PBGC caps actually are.
Tyler GardnerHOST
32:43
And you cannot sell a pension, so all your liquidity has to come from the other side of the balance sheet.
Tyler GardnerHOST
32:49
But the core point stands, count everything before you decide what you need more of.
Tyler GardnerHOST
8:35
A federal pension is backed by the United States government.
Tyler GardnerHOST
8:39
A pension from a mid-sized manufacturer is backed by a mid-sized manufacturer and the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation behind it, and the PBGC has coverage caps that can land well below what your statement says you're owed.
Tyler GardnerHOST
8:56
Most people have never checked that.
Tyler GardnerHOST
8:59
You should check that.
SusanAUDIENCE
17:21
What I would like to see is if these are pension funds, guess who's going to bail them out? And right now, we're paying for the infrastructure.
Lars LarsonHOST
17:30
The Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation, isn't it?
SusanAUDIENCE
17:33
That's right.
SusanAUDIENCE
17:34
So we're paying for the roads and all of the increases and for all these buildings to be built.
Wes MossHOST
24:15
Does managing the lump sum ar- uh, uh, amount make you slightly uncomfortable or nervous? If you answer yes to that, then again, may be better to have this monthly amount that is coming from someone else.
Wes MossHOST
24:27
And then four, would the full monthly payment be protected from the PBGC if the company tried to p- or that is paying you has financial trouble? And if you answer yes to all four of those, then I think you're decidedly leaning towards the monthly amount for life versus just the lump sum.
Wes MossHOST
24:50
One other caveat.
Wes MossHOST
24:51
The vast majority of these monthly amounts do not come with COLAs.
speaker_4GUEST
16:10
Is there an ownership interest going up the chain from the original employers to each subsequent owner? And there's no dispute here.
speaker_4GUEST
16:21
The test under the PBGC rules is 80% ownership.
speaker_4GUEST
16:24
It's complicated, but basically 80% ownership.
speaker_4GUEST
16:27
And I'm going to read from that, the PBGC rules, in about two seconds here.
speaker_4GUEST
16:30
But there's no dispute that the general partner only owned approximately 0.03% of the limited partner.
speaker_4GUEST
16:37
Therefore, the general partner and the limited partner are not in a common control relationship.
speaker_4GUEST
20:01
But it's to be clear, there is a path to deal with your concerns about the unfairness of all this.
speaker_4GUEST
20:06
There is a path to deal with those concerns, but that's just separate from the statutes.
Jim SaulnierHOST
14:23
And ERISA gave so many protections to retirement accounts.
Jim SaulnierHOST
14:28
Yet, for some reason, the regulators allow an ERISA-protected plan, backed for the most part, not all of them, but many of them, backed by the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation, otherwise known as the U.S. government, to sell that liability to an insurance company.
Jim SaulnierHOST
14:50
Some of which are private equity-owned insurance companies, with all the shenanigans going on in Bermuda and the Cayman Islands.
Jim SaulnierHOST
14:56
Which,
Jim SaulnierHOST
15:29
Exactly.
Jim SaulnierHOST
15:30
So the pension risk transfer allows for some bizarre reason, a company, a private company who has a pension with all the ERISA protections afforded it by federal law to sell that pension to an insurance company.
Jim SaulnierHOST
15:51
which to a degree does not remove a lot of the ERISA protections, but it does remove the backing of the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation and passes it on to the shoulders of an insurance company and the state guarantee funds, which we pointed out to you time and time and time again, are not guaranteed.
Jim SaulnierHOST
16:13
It's the most Orwellian term ever.
Wes MossGUEST
27:19
Does managing the lump sum amount make you slightly uncomfortable or nervous? If you answer yes to that, then again, may be better to have this monthly amount that is coming from someone else.
Wes MossGUEST
27:31
And then four, would the full monthly payment be protected from the PBGC if the company trying to p- or that is paying you has financial trouble? And if you can answer, if you answer yes to all four of those, then I think you're decidedly leaning towards the monthly amount for life versus just the lump sum.
Wes MossGUEST
27:54
One other caveat.
Wes MossGUEST
27:56
The vast majority of these monthly amounts do not come with COLAs.
Andy PankoHOST
36:15
There's federal backstops.
Andy PankoHOST
36:16
There's the PBGC, Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation.
Andy PankoHOST
36:20
That is a federal backstop that every company issues a pension, has to pay into it.
Andy PankoHOST
36:25
It's basically like insurance premiums, if you will.
Andy PankoHOST
36:43
The government's like, we need a backstop in case IBM in this case goes bust.
Andy PankoHOST
36:46
We can't have all these pensioners, just their pensions disappearing and then being bust in retirement.
Andy PankoHOST
36:52
So PBGC steps in and helps backstop that.
Andy PankoHOST
36:54
They in effect take over pension obligations from IBM, again, in this case, I'm not picking on them, and will continue to pay the pensioners.

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