National Foundation for Credit Counseling

That's right.

And Mary and I served on NFCC board together.

Love the Goods and love their daughter.

So great, great family.

Well, there-- I'm gonna tell you this, um, the NFCC, I would definitely hit them up.

They're the National Foundation for Credit Counseling.

It's free services that they have, um, to help people get out of debt, and it's a non-profit.

And this is a national, like federal non-profit agency, and they'll hook you up with a counselor that's gonna help you get back on track.