Ladurée

So, filled macarons actually appeared in Paris in the 19th century.

Famous macaron makers, Ladurée, founded in 1862, actually credited Pierre de Fontaine, a relative of its founder, Louis-Ernest Ladurée, with helping perfect the famous double-shell version in the 20th century.

And one more thing for English-speaking listeners, macaron, one O.

A macaroon with two O's is generally the chewy coconut confection.

So that sort of culture, I try to really kind of bring into, to the bakery, and I think that's why people really resonate with us.

Donna, Le, Ladurée too is one of the hottest bakeries in New York City, and that is a tough market for both of you, to say the least.

Again, is that almost more stressful because the bar is so high?

I think when we first started, which was almost five years ago now, which I can't believe how time has gone.