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Hello, I'm Julia Samuel and welcome to Therapy Works.

Each week we explore a challenge that has shaped someone's life.

Some of our guests you'll know, others you might not.

There is a hope and there is a choice that we can make individually.

Hello, I'm Julia Samuel and welcome to Therapy Works.

Each week we explore a challenge that has shaped someone's life.

Some of our guests you'll know, others you might not.

I think it's really important to talk about mental health and, and we do that a lot on this podcast, and I'm really Pleased that you're able to share this stuff.

One of the things I spoke to Julia Samuel, the psychotherapist, about was intergenerational trauma.

Am I right in saying that you, you might say that this is part of your own story? Can you put some color around that?

I don't necessarily say it's part of my personal story, but I am very interested in the subject.

We think it's gonna be like this forever, whereas it's only a season in our lives.

[music] Hello, I'm Julia Samuel, and welcome to Therapy Works.

Each week we explore a challenge that has shaped someone's life.

Some of our guests you'll know, others you might not.

Yeah.

Um, I've been reading this quite serious book actually at the moment called Every Family Has a Story, and it's by a therapist called Julia Samuel.

It's like, you know, this kind of stuff we're talking about.

She's a therapist, and so it's a book about eight families, and so it's eight kind of narratives that she's reconstructed-

You know, one of my worst fails.

And then I'd also talked in the book to Julia Samuel-

Mm

... who I know you know, the psychotherapist, and she'd talked about the power of repair.

And because grief isn't something that simply happens in our thoughts, but something we experience bodily and relationally too, it inevitably enters our creativity.

One of the things I found particularly interesting in Grief, the Body, and the Spirit: Healing Across Generations with Julia Samuel and her daughters, Sophie and Emily Samuel, was the conversation around grief and trust.

They talked about examples where clients needed to test the therapeutic relationship, sometimes repeatedly, before they could trust that it was safe enough to reveal something difficult or stay with something painful.

And that immediately made me think about artists, because artists often don't get much opportunity to test relationships before they're expected to do something incredibly vulnerable within them.