John Muir Trust

Well, again, whether we caused it or not, at the end of the day, it's a reality, it's happening.

And so when we start talking about this conservation versus preservation thing, folks, I hear all kinds of mainstream media calling various organizations, even these rewilding organizations I dealt with in Scotland, Trees for Life, John Muir Trust, even the Center for Biological Diversity and even the Humane Society, I've seen headlines basically looping them in as conservation groups.

Well, conservation is the wise use of a natural resource.

It's a modern construct because we didn't have to practice conservation until there was, yeah, Back in the days of Romans, if we're gonna go across the deserts outside of Jerusalem and we're heading to fight the Parthians over in what is now Iraq and Iran, yeah, if you wanna get across the desert, you better conserve your water, right? Otherwise, the legions aren't gonna get there.

But people don't really understand that.

And that definition is just completely just, I literally write emails to journalists saying, hey, whoa, you got this wrong.

Especially the John Muir Trust.

I just did an interview with, you know, the CEO of the John Muir Trust, and he says, we want, you know, the trees to be free.