ITV Granada

They're literally on the line.

So I think, I think they get, they get Granada TV, which is like the Northern TV.

Oh my

God, now he's going.

So inevitably, you're going to get eight London heads on that judging panel.

And if you're not familiar to them, what can you do to raise your head above the parapet or whatever? It can only be done in skill or in innovation.

You know what I mean? So my thing was, I was working at Granada TV at the time.

I worked in the graphics department there.

Did you? Yeah.

And I went to the bosses at Granada TV back in the day.

And I went, I've got this brilliant idea.

I don't want to be a glamorous game show hostess, which I was for a while.

I think, you know, journalism was an extraordinary career.

Current Fairs making television programs for the BBC and for Granada Television.

But I suppose, like everybody, has something that holds them back.

holds them in place and for me I would say it was always poetry and I consider myself lucky that I was introduced to Yeats and other Irish poets of course along the way at an early age and it allowed it for other people perhaps it's music it's visual art it's whatever everyone has their own thing and for me it's always been poetry and I consider myself as I say lucky then to have the chance to create a world of poetry for other people and to try to imagine how to reach other people with poetry and with Yeats poetry in particular.