Institute for War and Peace Reporting

The meeting in Oslo came at what's widely been seen as a low point between the two countries, just as winter nears and Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine continues unabated.

Well, to go through what happened yesterday and to look ahead about what could happen next, let's hear from Lars Bavanger, who's Monocle's Oslo correspondent, and Daniela Pellard, managing editor of the Institute for War and Peace Reporting.

A very good morning to you both.

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And secondly, diplomacy needs to concentrate on a ceasefire, on a humanitarian ceasefire, on a pause, simply to give people some breathing space.

Because as I said before, it's going to be a really, really long winter.

Daniela Pellard, managing the editor of the Institute for War and Peace Reporting and Lars Mavango, Monocle's old slow correspondent.

Thank you both for joining me on The Globalist.

We would get together online about every few months to work on this.

And then in 2024, she secured a grant from the Institute for War and Peace Reporting, their CAPIR, which is their Latin America section for that.

And we started working with El Toque to bring this to life.

Let's talk a little bit about Nivaroy Singham, who you just mentioned.

Mm.

Per the Institute for War & Peace Reporting, quote, "Milosevic sought to placate Orthodox communists and nationalists.

He promised continuity to the former, while the latter saw him as the brave and bellicose leader who would eventually deliver something resembling a greater Serbia.

But he was actually, uh, promising the impossible to both, yet they desperately wanted to believe him.