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Harriet Lerner

Harriet Lerner

American psychologistwww.harrietlerner.com

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Nov 4, 2026

Jackie PackHOST
23:43
And it's also true that an adaptation that once protected you can in a safer season keep you from seeing your partner as he actually is right now both of those are true at the same time there's one more piece that i think is really hopeful even though it doesn't feel that way from the inside for years this wife in this story was living with a man that she couldn't read now he's expressing emotion and that's new It's unfamiliar data, and unfamiliar can register in the body as unsafe, even when it's actually progress, even when it's something we've asked them to do.
Jackie PackHOST
24:28
Harriet Lerner wrote about what she called change-back reactions.
Jackie PackHOST
24:33
When one person in a relationship starts to change, the system pushes back to restore the old balance.
Jackie PackHOST
24:41
Not because anyone wants the old pain, but because the old pattern was predictable and predictable feels safe even when it isn't good.
David St. ArnaultHOST
39:29
Like that is family systems.
David St. ArnaultHOST
39:31
theory right but there are times where the system reorganizes itself without parts of it right and so this is estrangement and well i was just going to mention you know people that are listening to this and interested in this i was re-listening to uh Harriet Lerner's The Dance of Connection.
David St. ArnaultHOST
39:50
I love her Dance of Anger.
David St. ArnaultHOST
39:51
I've mentioned that before, but the book Dance of Connection, it's a short book.
Elise LoehnenHOST
15:18
And again, this is also a function of the fact that I'm sure you guys have heard of this concept.
Elise LoehnenHOST
15:23
I think it originated with Harriet Lerner and Brene Brown popularized it.
Elise LoehnenHOST
15:28
But this idea of over-functioning and under-functioning, right? I'm an over-functioner.
Elise LoehnenHOST
15:32
I love a crisis.
Vanessa BennettHOST
7:10
Instead of pathologizing the refusal to forgive, what if instead we asked, what is it protecting? All right.
Vanessa BennettHOST
7:19
Harriet Lerner, I've mentioned her a lot.
Vanessa BennettHOST
7:21
You know, anger.
Vanessa BennettHOST
7:22
She's written extensively about anger and clearly about anger.
Sheryl PaulHOST
15:37
If they're the over-functioner, under-functioner, all of these patterns that we enter into that serve different parts of us, And then we realize they're not serving anymore.
Sheryl PaulHOST
15:51
One of the best books, and it's such an early book, and I don't know if it still makes the rounds, but it's called It's the Dance of Anger, Harriet Lerner.
Victoria RussellHOST
15:58
Yes, I read that years ago and I found it so interesting and really helpful.
Sheryl PaulHOST
16:04
Really helpful to name these patterns, especially around over-functioning and under-functioning and how anger is often the messenger that's saying, There's a contract here that is not working.

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Victoria RussellHOST
21:54
I agree.
Victoria RussellHOST
21:54
As opposed to making the agreements explicit to yourself, looking at the landscape of this relationship and deciding… how you want to shift your behavior.
Victoria RussellHOST
22:07
And that's part of the Harriet Lerner book about the dance of anger, right? Is the idea that when you, if you're in a dance with a partner, you're holding hands, dancing through life, if you shift your move, the other person has to shift too.
Victoria RussellHOST
22:23
It might not be how you want them to or what you want, but some change will occur.
Krispin MayfieldHOST
8:48
Right.
Krispin MayfieldHOST
8:50
And also, some of the good stuff in here is that they steal from The Dance of Anger by Harriet Lerner, which is a pretty good book about boundaries that came out 10 years earlier, more of a feminist psychologist.
Krispin MayfieldHOST
9:06
What do
DL MayfieldHOST
9:07
you mean they stole?
Krispin MayfieldHOST
9:08
Like, basically, they talk about counter moves, for example.
Krispin MayfieldHOST
9:11
Harriet Lerner, I think, introduced that concept of counter moves.
DL MayfieldHOST
9:15
Do they credit her?
Krispin MayfieldHOST
9:16
Nope.
Kendra HarveyHOST
5:02
For this discussion, I want to bring in a book that has meant a lot to me.
Kendra HarveyHOST
5:06
It is Harriet Lerner's The Dance of Anger, specifically the first few chapters where she talks about relationship systems and what happens when someone inside the system decides to change.
Kendra HarveyHOST
5:19
Her premise is this, every relationship develops a pattern, a dance, if you will, and both people learn their steps.
Kendra HarveyHOST
5:27
They get comfortable with the rhythm, and over time, that rhythm becomes what feels normal and what feels safe.
Vanessa BennettHOST
9:40
And then on the other under-functioner side, so I'll use that dynamic, you know, that pattern as the example here.
Vanessa BennettHOST
9:44
On the under-functioner side, the question is, you know, will I still be loved if I'm not the one who needs help? Like, is anybody gonna care? Is anybody gonna take care of me, right? Who am I in this relationship if I stop playing my part? Harriet Lerner, who I love, um, she's amazing, and she wrote a very important book.
Vanessa BennettHOST
10:04
If y'all haven't read it yet, I always recommend it to pretty much everybody, The Dance of Anger.
Vanessa BennettHOST
10:09
So in Harriet Lerner's book, in The Dance of Anger, she described the over-functioner and the under-functioner as a complementary pair, right? I just said this to my husband today.
Vanessa BennettHOST
10:18
I was like, we, we were in the middle of a fight, and I said, "We found each other," right? "For a reason." There is a reason why our systems came together, right? We are a complementary pair in our-- not only, like, in what we love and don't love, not only in, like, what we, you know, are good at and not good at, but we're a complementary pair in our wounding, right? We have a system, the two of us, right? We're not two separate people with separate problems.
Vanessa BennettHOST
10:47
[chuckles] We are a system comprised of a problem that is very complementary between these two individuals.

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Vanessa BennettHOST
20:42
You're gonna turn your awareness dial up on any and all resentment in your relationships, okay? And I always say, it doesn't have to be huge.
Vanessa BennettHOST
20:48
It can be the tiniest little whiff of it, but you're gonna pay attention, right? And then you're gonna ask yourself again, "Oh, I'm noticing it.
Amanda LouderHOST
15:01
Murray Bowen is the one who created family systems theory, and he called this reciprocity.
Amanda LouderHOST
15:06
And Harriet Lerner brought it to a general audience in her book, The Dance of Anger, in 1985.
Amanda LouderHOST
15:13
The over-functioner is almost always the one keeping the ledger.
Amanda LouderHOST
15:19
And the uncomfortable part of this pattern is this.
Nina DeepGUEST
11:06
Everything you can see is the vulva.
Nina DeepGUEST
11:07
So there is a, a psychologist, Harriet Lerner, and she has some great quotes.
Nina DeepGUEST
11:12
And she's written about this subject and others for years.
Nina DeepGUEST
11:14
So what she says is, um...

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Nina DeepGUEST
20:11
I think every book that has to do with female sexual function you will find nuggets and pearls in it.
Keri CroftHOST
20:16
Yeah.
Nina DeepGUEST
20:16
She Comes First was written by Ian Kerner, and he is a psychologist who really had premature ejaculation, and then he just developed a method of oral sex, of giving oral sex so that his partner was pleasured so that he could then, you know-
Keri CroftHOST
20:29
Not be, yeah

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