Grove Atlantic

Yeah.

They allowed me to take it somewhere else and, um, and yeah, I, I actually signed a deal with Grove Atlantic to do a book version of it, and so they, they at least deserve some credit, but I guess they're not under the fucking, uh, yoke of, of, uh, Paramount.

Um, but, so yeah, I would say-

Do, do you think that that's what they had in mind when you wanted to tell the story, that there was...

both part of Hachette, that those, you know, Amazon would've been minuscule in the total scope of their sales in dollars.

And then I think conversely about somebody like Grove Atlantic who is probably 60% Amazon [laughs] you know? Just because that, by the nature of both like what they publish, how they market-

Mm-hmm

... you know, they're doing like movie tie-in kind of fiction, and they do a lot more business books than I realized.

But what I, I find that ...

I think Amazon's position is getting weaker over time.

Um, you've got Bookshop that, you know, for a Grove Atlantic or some sort of literary poet, uh, elite status-driven publisher, their readers are p- more likely to boycott Amazon and head over to Bookshop or to their indie bookstore or whatever to benefit them rather than the big tech company.

So sentiment's really against them.