Del Rey Books

Mm, okay.

It's by Del Rey Books.

Terrible cover.

Awful.

Um, now I think, I feel like epic fantasy is more clearly a marketing term.

I feel like s- space opera predates marketing, whereas I suspect that if you were to, you know, go looking for a human being to go, "This is your fault," I think this is Judy-Lynn del Rey's fault.

I think epic fantasy is Judy-Lynn del Rey's fault And you say, "Well, why?" Let me tell you why.

Mm-hmm.

Because I suspect that it really is The Sword of Shannara that is the first book to have that on it in any m- m- any large scale kind of way and spread the term.

... that was already there.

And it was, uh ...

I mean, Del Rey Books, if I'm not right-- if I'm not wrong, was actually a spinoff of Ballantine, wasn't it? Um-

Right.

It was officially published by Del Rey Books in 2025.

But that's not where it started

startedNo, not at all.