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We don't think that makes sense for us.

And so you're in this like dynamic that Alex Trembath describes, which is, I don't know if you know Alex Trembath from the Breakthrough Institute.

He makes the point that- What climate activists have done is consistently elevate the least popular parts of climate policy and presented that as like the thing we must do, as opposed to highlighting the things that we could do that are win-win scenarios from an economic perspective, a geopolitical perspective, and yes, also a kind of emissions co-benefit perspective.

One example being domestically, like the natural gas fracking boom.

So the idea is that if you...

I actually, I've heard, I've heard this, um, applied to animal agriculture before, too, from the Breakthrough Institute.

Like, they've put this forth a few times, this idea that, like, it actually, if you have more intensive confined animal operations, that it, like...

Yeah, minimizes the impact 'cause you're, you're concentrating it on less land.

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That's at greatcapitalism.substack.com. Now we're going to start by covering some recent headlines and events that you should know about, and then go on to my interview with Sivir Wang, Director of the Climate and Energy Program at the Breakthrough Institute.

We'll talk about rare earth elements, China's export controls, permitting reform, friendshoring, and where to find tomorrow's supply of critical minerals.

New jobs numbers came out recently from the Bureau of Labor Statistics here in Washington, D.C., and my colleagues Ryan Young and Sean Higgins were quick with commentary and response.

You can look at the latest numbers and analysis in his post, What's data center opposition really about? At PatrickGraffini.com.

Those are the headlines for episode 191.

Now we'll move on to my interview with Sivir Wang of the Breakthrough Institute.

Now I'd like to welcome to the show Sivir Wang, Director of the Climate Energy Program at the Breakthrough Institute.

That requires a transparency response.

I'm going to put on my other, one of my other hats is I'm the chair of the board of the Breakthrough Institute, which is pro-technology, pro-abundance, pro-development.

So I think there's some collaboration to be seeded here.

So I love these ideas and I love, that's why we have these conversations.