Athena Alliance, Inc.

And I think we're, you know, we're also, we're ending in this period where technology, innovation, they're just accelerating so quickly that a lot of governance frameworks, you know, can't necessarily keep up.

And I was talking to Coco Brown, I know a mutual connection of both of us with Athena Alliance just a couple of weeks ago about this.

And it's, you know, how, and I asked her the same question, you know, how should leaders be thinking about balancing you know, the inner innovation velocity with responsible oversight.

And you spoke a little bit to this earlier, you know, that balance, but, but are there real things that you do as a board member to be, to be balancing the, you know, like you say, what's a calculated risk, what's a mindful risk versus we need to innovate.