Alternative for Germany

than just France and Germany.

And there is no guarantee that the AFD is going to win in Germany or that Marine Le Pen is going to win in France.

And of course, even if they do, the MEPs that get sent to Strasbourg are not necessarily of the same outlook as the domestic government.

But yeah, it's a proper concern.

She's a terrible interviewer.

And I do a great dive of Alice Feidel, who is the leader of the AFD party in Germany, just completely making mincemeat out of her.

I've got that up on the podcast feed.

But it's great that the whole world now just mocks the establishment press.

But I don't have answers to your concerns, except to point out it's a much bigger bloc than just France and Germany.

And there is no guarantee that... that the AFD is going to win in Germany or that Marine Le Pen is going to win in France.

And of course, even if they do, the MEPs that get sent to Strasbourg are not necessarily of the same outlook as the domestic government.

But yeah, it's a proper concern.

Le Pen, she doesn't want to leave the euro.

The German AFD, they have now changed their policy.

They also don't want to leave the euro.

So, you know, but none of the, you know, if they don't leave the euro, it doesn't, you know, nothing else what they say makes sense.

And I think it's The reason that it frustrated me when I had those conversations with Elon Musk in the summer and why it frustrates me again now is this simple idea that this is all because of unbridled migration gives you a sense of kind of black and white simplicity, which is just not true and which leads down the wrong path to try and fix it.

The same, Andrew, is true in Germany, where the AFD and I interviewed Alice Weidel, the head of the AFD, just a few days ago, too.

She blames Germany's problems largely on, as she sees it, uncontrolled migration.

Germany has deep, deep problems.

might be cathartic in the short term, but it is not going to lead you anywhere positive.

But look overseas where you have angry people like Trump and who's that, Le Pen and the AFD, whatever.

Anger leads to a very dark place.

No, no, no.

yes since october 7 but obviously long before and in some ways what all this situation is creating what we're seeing in europe is an empowering of the far right this is the fear that i have the far right comes in and says you want law you want order you want judeo-christian values you want no immigration you want no muslims you want to send all muslims back to their home countries vote for us There's a French election coming next year, and there's a decent chance that Marine Le Pen, who is the leader of the leading far-right party, might win, or someone like her might win.

In country after country, look at Germany, the AfD, Alternative for Deutschland Party.

The AfD is doing remarkably well, pushing out a very similar message.

The far right is benefiting from a narrative that says that Europe has to be more hardline.

We have to send all the immigrants back.

And they didn't treat Bolsonaro as in the way that, you know, other establishment hearing parties treat, in Europe treat for instance, the

AFD.

So it would be strange to see so many people voting for those going to Lula instead of...

According to the pro-Bolsonaro

she is not speaking hypothetically about distant history she's outlining contingency governance for the present era and the response from the sitting secretary of state just as revealing listen to this i

had these very same conversations with the uh german uh parliament members uh when i got invited by the german government there very frank conversations and with the japanese government there's uh In Germany, as you know, the rise of the AFD, and then in Japan there is a kind of a right-wing nationalist organization that is threatening the democracy.

But anyway, yeah, thank you for inviting me here.

Steve Hobbs replies that he has had exact conversations with German and Japanese officials about how to handle nationalist and right-wing parties.