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Nov 3, 2026
Stephen GrootesHOST
I don't know, have sort of been left by their international partners.
Stephen GrootesHOST
So A&O Sherman closed their office here two years ago.
Stephen GrootesHOST
Norton Rose Fulbright left their South African operation.
Stephen GrootesHOST
And to go back to its original name, was originally known as Denise Reitz, now called Denise Fulbright.
Anush GaneshHOST
She holds an SJD and LLM from Harvard Law School and an LLB from University College London.
Anush GaneshHOST
And before entering academia, she practiced antitrust and intellectual property law at Allen & Overy in London and Brussels.
Anush GaneshHOST
Our paper, Egalitarian Antitrust, received the best paper award at ASCOLA 2025.
Anush GaneshHOST
Today, we discussed three of our recent papers, the Egalitarian Antitrust paper, which was award-winning, Technological Capture, which is a more recent paper with Anne Berlin, and the Data Attention Imperatives.
Stephen GrootesHOST
It's also the latest in quite an interesting chain of South African law firms that, I don't know, have sort of been left by their international partners.
Stephen GrootesHOST
So A&O Sherman closed their office here two years ago.
Stephen GrootesHOST
Norton Rose Fulbright left their South African operation and to go back years.
Stephen GrootesHOST
Its original name was originally known as Deneis Reitz, now called Deneis.
John MorleyGUEST
Sherman and Sterling had a history very similar to Wiles, where they went from being a super elite firm to moving 10, 12, 15 spots down the rankings in the time since the financial crisis.
John MorleyGUEST
And I think they saw the writing on the wall and got ahead of it and merged with A&O, Allen and Overy, which was delighted to merge with Sherman and Sterling because it gave Allen and Overy a really strong New York presence.
John MorleyGUEST
Practice.
John MorleyGUEST
And even though those were very geographically diverse firms, it turned out that the geographies didn't overlap very much and the clients didn't overlap very much.
Catrin GriffithsHOST
Pulling off a merger is really hard.
Catrin GriffithsHOST
Talk to A&O Sherman, which is pretty, one of the very few firms at an elite level that has managed to do this.
Catrin GriffithsHOST
It's very, very hard work.
Catrin GriffithsHOST
it's much easier to bring in groups of partners with talent, with connections, et cetera, and integrate them.
speaker_0HOST
They run rigorous internal evaluations.
speaker_0HOST
Or look at the law firm Allen and Overy, which explicitly requires human review for all AI outputs.
speaker_0HOST
These companies are navigating the frontier openly.
speaker_0HOST
Isn't that better than just hoping employees aren't secretly generating bad work on their phones?
Ben GirdlestoneGUEST
So, um, and sometimes, you know, the perception can be quite, quite dangerous.
Ben GirdlestoneGUEST
Certainly there was when, you know, when Shearman had its injury, uh, its, its issues as Shearman and Sterling, um, and it had, you know, very, you know, brief r- uh, merger talks which, which didn't work, and then they obviously partnered with, with, with A&O, which has gone pretty well, I, I, I think.
Ben GirdlestoneGUEST
But that firm was perceived to be, you know, there for the, there for the taking, and I don't think that was quite the case.
Ben GirdlestoneGUEST
And I think, you know, you look at some of the, the influence, the heritage Shearman has in that, um, in that, well, merger relationship now, it's, it's, it's impressive.
Ben GirdlestoneGUEST
You all seem the same.
Ben GirdlestoneGUEST
We haven't really got enough time." And, you know, to completely agree with you, boy, that's, that's changed quite a lot.
Linzi GoldthorpeHOST
[upbeat music] And you mentioned A&O Shearman, um, and we wanted to touch on a piece by Oscar Glym for law.com which is kind of taking a look at, uh, the firm post-merger and its lovely new office and you had some thoughts on, on this.
Linzi GoldthorpeHOST
It was quite a punchy headline.
Richard TromansGUEST
It will grow.
Richard TromansGUEST
Well, I, I was just talking, uh, I met up the other day for breakfast with a former head of innovation for a global law firm, and they asked me, "Do you know-- Do you think that the big firms should build their own New Mods inside?" In the same way that some law firms, for example, remember Allen & Overy created their own little version of Axiom, didn't they? You know?
Daniel HayterHOST
Yep.
Daniel HayterHOST
Many has been Richard
Caroline FlanaganHOST
They just didn't have the pipeline because Black lawyers were reaching a certain level, looking up, and thinking, "Well, there's no one to even show me it can be done.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
There's no one to show me how it's done." [laughs] Right? "And there's no one to inspire me," right? "To want to do it." Look, I get this, right? I had this exact same experience, and re- remember doing that very thing when I was at Allen & Overy, three, four years qualified, very much thinking about my partnership ambitions.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
And I was very, very ambitious.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
And I remember, and I have specific partners in mind who I came into contact with most, and I could not have been, they could not have been more different to me.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
I'm actually here to offer you the solution, and one that, when I say worked for me, what I'm teaching now is my understanding of what I've been doing my whole career, and that has enabled me to be as successful as I have.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
I didn't know this at the age of five [laughs] but drawing on exactly what it is that got me through school as the only Black pupil, and then my secondary school as the only Black pupil, and becoming head of both of those schools, and then going on to Cambridge and being one of less than a handful of five Black students, certainly that I ever encountered, right, in the whole university.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
Like, how all of that happened, how I got into Allen & Overy in those days [laughs] before diversity, before quotas, how I then got into Cleary Gottlieb.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
So what I'm teaching you today is the, um...
Caroline FlanaganHOST
They just didn't have the pipeline because Black lawyers were reaching a certain level, looking up, and thinking, "Well, there's no one to even show me it can be done.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
There's no one to show me how it's done." [laughs] Right? "And there's no one to inspire me," right? "To want to do it." Look, I get this, right? I had this exact same experience, and re- remember doing that very thing when I was at Allen & Overy, three, four years qualified, very much thinking about my partnership ambitions.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
And I was very, very ambitious.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
And I remember, and I have specific partners in mind who I came into contact with most, and I could not have been, they could not have been more different to me.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
I'm actually here to offer you the solution, and one that, when I say worked for me, what I'm teaching now is my understanding of what I've been doing my whole career, and that has enabled me to be as successful as I have.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
I didn't know this at the age of five [laughs], but drawing on exactly what it is that got me through school as the only Black pupil, and then my secondary school as the only Black pupil, and becoming head of both of those schools, and then going on to Cambridge and being one of less than a handful of five Black students, certainly that I ever encountered, right, in the whole university.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
Like, how all of that happened, how I got into Allen & Overy in those days [laughs] before diversity, before quotas, how I then got into Cleary Gottlieb.
Caroline FlanaganHOST
So what I'm teaching you today is the, um...
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