All Progressives Grand Alliance

Of course, the child, but yeah, at the end of the day, I'm the father, I'm the leader.

You know, so I would say it's just like, for example, in Anambra State where I'm from, I always say it's the guy who is supporting APGA.

Maybe for who, why, why does he support APGA? Maybe his brother works-

Mm-hmm

...

Mm-hmm.

Connected, yeah.

You know, so I'm not gonna blame him for APGA's faults.

I don't know whether you saw it.

Um, we asked Tinubu for saying that, you know, Apga is also a progressive and [static] never happened in the history of the country.

You know, for the first president to be chosen by everybody, they have party three governors and all that.

I'm only, uh, even, even with Baba that Baba is a good commentator and, uh, whatever, but notwithstanding, we still want Mr.

Mm-hmm

... and, uh, APGA that has Anambra State-

Mm-hmm

... their governors are having deals in Abuja.

So what mechanism could realistically be used, you know, to produce one candidate without creating another round of defections or divisions?

I think, uh, the easiest mechanism to use is to have a, a shift, a paradigm shift, instead of insisting that the opposition must unite just the way the ANPP faction of APGA, ACN, and the CPC came together in order to, to form, uh, the current ruling APC in 2013.

I don't think it is necessary that we must follow or we must go through the same strategy in order to do that.

What we need is always a change in political structure, political process, and the political system, and political arrangement.